11.18.2006
When Witch-Wars Go Bad
Conflicts within our communities (often called "Witch Wars") like conflicts within any religious body can get ugly. Threats, intimidation, and ostracization have all happened at different times and places. But The Scotsman reports on a conflict between Pagans living in a Pagan commune that appears to have gone beyond the pale. The case involves fantasy author Bernard King, Asatru author Freya Aswynn, and accusations of possessing child pornography.
"Fantasy writer Bernard King, 60, walked free from court yesterday after allegations that he hoarded pornographic images of children on his home computer were thrown out. But before the case against him was dropped, details of King's life in a pagan commune - set up at Bankhead Farm, Strathaven, by fellow writer and self-confessed witch Freya Aswynn - were revealed at Hamilton Sheriff Court. It emerged that King left the peace-loving commune of nature lovers after a row with Aswynn over a replica gun. After his departure 5,518 pictures, some showing children having sex with adults, were found on a computer King gave to a fellow pagan's teenage daughter. Police were called and King was arrested."
But was King a pervert, or the victim of a vindictive set-up? The details of the charges getting dropped open up the possibility of King getting framed after leaving the commune.
"But yesterday the charges were dropped after prosecution witness and fellow pagan Trady Wadman, 38, changed her evidence in the dock. Miss Wadman, who lived at the commune with her 15-year-old daughter Cerise, said Aswynn considered herself a witch. She said Aswynn - whose real name is Elizabeth Hooy-schuur - claimed that she could cast a magic spell on people she didn't like. King blamed Aswynn in court for downloading the porn."
With a witness changing testimony, and with Aswynn living outside the country after selling the commune, the charges against King were dropped. Without further testimony we will most likely never know how the pornography got on a computer King had once owned. But it does show how easy it is for religious-based living situations to go wrong. Especially when issues of authority and ego get involved. In a way, I do hope it was a vindictive prank, rather than knowing that a pedophile (whoever it may be in this situation) is walking free.
Labels: Paganism
Comments:
If King were a pedophile, you'd think he'd delete the evidence before giving his computer away. But considering the miasma that almost always envelopes religous-based communes, It's my guess that it's a fraudulent charge levelled at King from a vindictive Asswyn. Either way, it certainly adds a negative perspective on the written work of both Asswyn and King.
Freya Aswynn and Child Porn:
Freya Aswynn gives Paganism a bad name. In our coven we rid ourselves of anyone practicing Black Magic and Harmful Spells. It's time the Pagan community rids itself of Freya Aswynn. She is an embarassment to Paganism and to her publisher Llewellyn Publishers. She is wanted by the police for downloading over 5,000 pictures of children having sex with adults. That's just plain sick and everyone realizes it. She also has a history of Black Magic and the Pagan community is well aware of it. 86 Freyan Aswynn NOW!!!
This is really a drag for pagans. it looks bad either way. Maybe Aswynn and her Child Porn habits would consider becoming Christian, and the pagans can finally get rid of her once and for all.
Blessed BE!
Pagans are not about Child Porn. If that's what turns on the foul and ugly Freya Aswynn, then tell her to get out of paganism and into something that matches her sick and twisted ways.
So be it!
Greetings All
Freya Aswynn here.
This is a long story, but I keep it short.
I' catagorically deny having put any child porn pictures on Bernard Kings computer or any other computer for that matter.
The row referred to in the article did not erupt because of a replica gun. the subject of the row was over the 'well being' of a 8 year old girl named Aisha who was staying at the farm. This is a serious matter not brought up in court, suffice to say that the witness came to me with 'a complaint'against Bernard King which prompted me to force him out with the assistence of the police. No charges where brought as the child did not really came to any harm.
After BK left pictures were indeed found on his computer, by the witness, I myself called the police.
the witness named Tracy Lynn Wadman has a substancial criminal record involving her own child as a mule to transport cocaine from Jamaica to London she did six years, and I gave her a home once she was released of prison.
She cooperated and supplied the police with evidence to roll up a Yardie gang in Harlesed in order to get a lighter sentence and therefore could not move back to London.
She also tried to blackmail me two days before I left Stra'ven she wanted money of she would change her testimony.
Anybody who want to talk about this further.
my emailaddress is:aswynn@btinternet.com
And no I am not selling the thule book I can't even find it on my own site.
Consider the possibility that both me and Bernard King have been had. He would have done better to put his hands up, now he'll be haunded for money for ever after.
Freya Aswynn
aka E. Hooijschuur
See, I don't need anonimity.
I appeal to those who have professional access to police databse to check this 'witness' out for your self
Tracy Lynn Wadman 6/6/1967?
some where in North Wales.
It is amazing how everyone seems to accept BK's innocence and jumps to blame FA. I tend towards believing FA. You have a man ousted for attempting 'something' with an 8 year old girl. This same man gives a computer, loaded with child porn images, to a teenage girl perhaps hoping to plant ideas in her mind. So either BK is guilty and has serious issues or the woman with a criminal record is framing him for money. Until they actually arrest FA or put our a warrant for said arrest the rest of you should just back off.
Oh oh oh! All you anonymous posters, a lot of Pagan cowards ye all are! Black magick?? Since when is the right to defend ones self against any Pagan law?
Oh wait! Fluffy bunny pussy wimps! And, if it harm none do what ye will even if one harms thee just bow down and pray? You sound like a lot of Xians more than Pagans you sorry lot of sots.
I don't know who you, the anonymous poster, think you are, not even human enough to say who you are but, in the same breath profess what is good for all Pagans?
Freya is an outstanding woman and has done more for the Pagan revival movment than you could even begin to understand as is apparent by your profession and your anonymity. Really if your going to go around bashing you really should summons the COURAGE to say who you are. Your the emmbaressment from where I sit.
See ya in Neflhel coward!!
The truth is a very funny thing... there are always at least two sides of a story. I've also learned from having given interviews, that the press will paraphrase almost anything to sound like a more sensational story.
It has also been my experience that within certain Pagan populations are a lot of people who like to take all the credit while putting out the least amount of effort. These are the ones that always seem to have the dirt or behind the scenes "truth". It certainly sounds like this witness could easily fall into that category.
Is it coincidence that it is the witness who prompts Freya to remove BK from her property? It is also this same witness who conveniently "finds" the evidence on his computer after he is gone?
Isn't it even more interesting that it is the same witness that changed her testimony? Why the change in story? One of the stories has to be a lie, as they cannot both be true.
Don't believe what you read. The truth comes out in time, but it may not be so interesting as this to be reported.
Hail M Odinsdatter!
What Pagan revival movement do you speak of? If you are referring to Wiccatru/Nicca, go right ahead. Please, however save yourself the association of Freya 'Asswind' with Asatru. We don't need her or any other fluff.
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta Redblade I do get the feeling you are just being silly now. You know damn well I was referring to ASATRU, and I beg to differ with your oppinion of course!
What is it with you people? Jelousy leads you to run rambling? Ansuz has gotten off it's leash and messed your brains up? What?
IDK how much frith is going on around here, but if you say so!
Frith from Raven Wolf Harrow
M Odinsdatter
Of course you differ, we all knew you would in your first post. Freya 'Asswind' has done as much for Asatru, as Hooters has done for chicken wings. Gods forbid you wiccatru/nicca types actually read the Lore and see who things are done instead of relying of fluff heads for your sources.
And you don't even seem to understand Frith. Shame really. It's all in the Lore.
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta Redblade may Thurisaz fly up your arse. I will no longer partake in your insults as you have sunk to a very low realm of insult and seem to have seen fit to drag the sacred lore into the debate. Shame on me? No shame on you and all your kind. Perhaps since you see fit to change names around Orusta Deadfade would be better for you then.
And, I have no idea who you are talking to when you make comment of Wiccatru/Nicca. Your an ugly soul, I see you.
Frith,
~M~
+++Orusta Redblade may Thurisaz fly up your arse.+++
Well, thats more like it now.
+++I will no longer partake in your insults as you have sunk to a very low realm of insult and seem to have seen fit to drag the sacred lore into the debate.+++
The Lore is what makes us Heathens, unlike the Wiccatru/Nicca crowd who make it up as they go along. As for the Asswind name well, considering Loki accuses Freya of farting when the gods surprised her with Freyr, the name "Freya Asswind" is almost historical! now isn't it?
+++ Shame on me? No shame on you and all your kind.+++
Shame on us for doing it right? Like our ancestors did? Ya, I feel real bad about that. Maybe you would feel better with calling corners or a hammer rite?
+++ Perhaps since you see fit to change names around Orusta Deadfade would be better for you then.+++
All one has to do is read 'Freya's book and see that she is not Asatru. She even admits she's a witch and has hung around with Raven Caldera. That really says something doesn't it? If she and the others want to be Wiccatru, then fine. But don't go around alluding to and making others think it is the same as Asatru. It is not.
+++And, I have no idea who you are talking to when you make comment of Wiccatru/Nicca. Your an ugly soul, I see you.+++
Wiccatru/Nicca. Read above.
+++Frith,
~M~+++
I know this moniker from somewhere, but where?
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta wrote:
The Lore is what makes us Heathens, unlike the Wiccatru/Nicca crowd who make it up as they go along. As for the Asswind name well, considering Loki accuses Freya of farting when the gods surprised her with Freyr, the name "Freya Asswind" is almost historical! now isn't it?
M Writes:
I am not sure who you think is making up actual lore. Much has been lost and shant be recovered by an conventional means. I know of no case where Freya Aswynn makes up lore. The runes she speculates from her own UPG and since I trust her I don't have a problem with that seeings how I can basically verify or disqaulify anything I choose for myself.
As for the Asswind comment I don't find it the least bit humourous as you know. I don't care where you think this tid bit of historical content came from.
Orusta worte:
Shame on us for doing it right? Like our ancestors did? Ya, I feel real bad about that. Maybe you would feel better with calling corners or a hammer rite?
M writes:
So now you are sayiong that your way is the only way and what Asatru is and isn't for everyone? Are you a Theodish by any chance there Orusta? I heard Freya Aswynn once say she was Asatru because she is true to the Aesir, period, what really more is there to say. Can you deny the meaning of the very word?
Orusta wrote:
All one has to do is read 'Freya's book and see that she is not Asatru. She even admits she's a witch and has hung around with Raven Caldera. That really says something doesn't it? If she and the others want to be Wiccatru, then fine. But don't go around alluding to and making others think it is the same as Asatru
M writes:
If I am seen talking to President Bush does that make me a Repukelican, I mean Republican? I think a lot of the problem is the lil sybil qaulity. Now I suppose Thorbjorg is not a valid charachter since she may not fit your profile of what Asatru is or isn't?
Frith,
~M~
M Writes:
I am not sure who you think is making up actual lore. Much has been lost and shant be recovered by an conventional means. I know of no case where Freya Aswynn makes up lore. The runes she speculates from her own UPG and since I trust her I don't have a problem with that seeings how I can basically verify or disqaulify anything I choose for myself.
I write:
Maybe you should re-read my posts, I never once accused her of making up the Lore. Her practice of Wiccatru, yes. That's made up on the spot. As for UPG, I can speculate that Runes should be be accompanied by trantric yoga, but it doesn't mean it will fly or fits in with the Norse base.
M Writes:
As for the Asswind comment I don't find it the least bit humourous as you know. I don't care where you think this tid bit of historical content came from.
I write:
You don't care? It's a reference from the Lore. So you say you don't care that it came from the Lore, so you don't care about the Lore?
M writes:
So now you are sayiong that your way is the only way and what Asatru is and isn't for everyone? Are you a Theodish by any chance there Orusta?
I write:
I am Non-Universalist. I only care HOW it is done.
M Writes:
I heard Freya Aswynn once say she was Asatru because she is true to the Aesir, period, what really more is there to say. Can you deny the meaning of the very word?
I write:
She could also claim to be Minnie Mouse, doesn't make it so. She claims this, but did she swear on an Oath ring? Please re-read the article that started all this, it states she's a self-admitted witch. She also admits to casting black magic directed at those she doesn't like. Sounds like Wiccatru to me.
M writes:
If I am seen talking to President Bush does that make me a Repukelican, I mean Republican?
I write:
If you continue to hang around, then Yes.
M writes:
Now I suppose Thorbjorg is not a valid charachter since she may not fit your profile of what Asatru is or isn't?
I write:
Asatru? No. She is not. Wiccatru? Most certainly. You can group her (as a writer) into the same bunch as Ed Fitch and DJ Conway.
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta wrote:
You don't care? It's a reference from the Lore. So you say you don't care that it came from the Lore, so you don't care about the Lore?
M writes:
You know good and well it is the ref you use towards Aswynn and not the lore that offends me you silly silly non universalist not even sure if your of age at this point person. To use the lore to degrade a person is dispicable!
Orusta wrote:
She could also claim to be Minnie Mouse, doesn't make it so. She claims this, but did she swear on an Oath ring? Please re-read the article that started all this, it states she's a self-admitted witch. She also admits to casting black magic directed at those she doesn't like. Sounds like Wiccatru to me.
M Writes:
Well I beg to differ pal. She does not admit to casting magick against people just because she does not like them. You have put words into her mouth and now tis time to stop that.
Being attakced and fighting back is something very different than attacking. Perhaps you need a good lesson in attack and defence and the fine fine line that is so defined it can't be missed that sits between the two when it comes to magickal warfare.
And, how do you know she didn't take an oath on the ring?????????
Orusta wrote:
Asatru? No. She is not. Wiccatru? Most certainly. You can group her (as a writer) into the same bunch as Ed Fitch and DJ Conway.
M wirtes:
No way, your nuts.
Frith,
~M~
A little clarification...
I read Freya's comments regarding her use of magic against those who actively try to harm her. That hardly seems like "black magic" to me. If someone were to rush at me with their fists clenched and shoulders cocked, I'm coming out swinging! No where in the lore does it say that magic cannot be used to either defend or avenge oneself.
And to the earlier comment (paraphrased) regarding how the Pagan community needs to oust such people because of dark magical practices... not every witch is Wiccan, no matter what the story books say. All Pagan religious do not espouse supposed Wiccan virtue. I've witnessed enough of your ilk banishing this one or that one from your covens for not practicing the way the high-mucky-muck of a particular group wants them too.
Not every Pagan believes in some three-fold law, nor does everyone believe in some "harm none" code which sounds suspiciously like something plucked from Crowley. Have you ever actually tried to "harm none"? It's impossible. In order to heal yourself from a cold, your body has to kill the virus. That's harming the virus. If your immune system didn't kill it, you could ultimately die, again, harming yourself. If you really believe in the "harm none" thing, you don't get to pick and choose when to apply it. So to suggest that all Pagans oust anyone for practicing magic of any type is obsurd. Ostrocising someone based on a few paragraphs without taking the time to delve any deeper is irresponsible. Keep up that kind of behavior and eventually someone someday may slap you with a lawsuit for libel.
And since when does being a witch make someone not an Asatruar? On the flipside, since when does being a with automatically make you Wiccan? In order to be either Wiccan or Asatru, one would need to share in the belief system of either religion. The last time I checked my lore, there's plenty of it that refers to magical practice. To ignore our magical history is to dishonor our ancestors. You certainly don't have to learn magic to be Asatru, it's in no way a requirement, but it's not forbidden either.
To those who feel Freya is too "wiccatru", well, where are your books? What have you done? If you feel you know better, share this wondrousness with the rest of us. If you can do better, by all means do so.
Nicely said Catherine Ellis!
And, exactly, like the entire creation myth opens up with Odin engaged in, none other than, an act of necromancy as it would appear.
Now if the idea of necromancy would be debated, Odin summonsed that Volva somehow!
So if we follow a logical train of progression, as has been seen in the last few blog posts, we can deduce that Odin is not Asatru either!
Nor, the lovely Freya of Vanaheim since it is she that gives the lessons of the craft to even Odin himself in exchange for Galdr magick.
Boy won't those two be surprised to find out they are not of Asatru!
Orusta Redblade let us clarify at this passing. Is it your contention that because Aswynn (note the spelling please) calls herself a witch she is not Asatru? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Frith,
~M~
This blog has no spell check I'm doomed!
On Asatru
The underneath has been written in answer to the various comments through the years that I Freya Aswynn isn’t Asatru but Wiccan. I was Wiccan from 1980to 1983. I was Rosicrucian* from 1972 till 1979 no one accuses me of being Not Asatru but Rosicrucian* Why???
What is it about ‘Wiccans’ which invoked the red rag in some Americans who adopted a Native European Religion as their own. Traditionally the Religion of the Aesir was very tolerant and we still see this expressed in the Nordic countries, but more on a social and cultural level. It’s part of the Northern European Folk Soul.
And why this hatred towards a ‘sister’ pagan religion. It’s almost a Southern Baptist raging against Catholics, both being Christian of course. Perhaps they did not divest themselves of the baggage of an earlier religion.
In ’83 I dissolved my coven in order to devote full time to my Native gods: the Aesir and by inference the Vanir and other wights of Light. I am therefore Asatru i.e My Troth is to the Aesir. Apart from the Gods themselves, the attraction to the Norse system was first and foremost the Runes, and what ever little bits of the Lore was available in either English or Dutch, in the early eighties.. Being true to the Norse/Germanic gods is living according certain traditional values. Being True to the Aesir does not mean that I can’t respect, cooperate or appreciate ‘others’ however I wouldn’t ‘worship them. Without exception these comments questioning my being Asatru are all from across the pond. Usually by people who rant against ‘universalism’.
Dig a little bit further and one may find a ‘political monster’ lurking there, at least by some. These people often being of ambiguous genetics themselves, needing to prove to themselves and their peers how ‘Nordic/Germanic they are. Again I have not found this attitude in native born Northern European Asatru, are we dealing with genetic envy here?
However they are a dwindling but vocal minority, the vast majority of Asa folk across the pond have done incredible work in reconstructing and redefining the religion.
Keeping the Old way alive and publishing their interpretations and lore, putting enormous amount of effort and funds into their studies and share this. These are the ones who will be remembered as the first generation Asa folk outside Europe.
Being Asatru is open to every one, the Gods will accept the Troth of a sincere person of whatever genetic or cultural origin. It’s insecure people, who will question and dispute this and guess what , they need this kind of security from their peers ie. Other people, they have to feel part of a crowd, a club.
I am Northlander I was born and raised in a traditional tolerant Dutch culture, I also look the part. I don’t depend on others opinion whether I am Asatru or not. Nor would I ever question an other’s Troth to the Aesir, certainly not on the basic of colour or any prior spiritual paths walked
So far as criticism of my book NM &M is concerned this was written in ’86 as ‘Leaves’ look at the bibliography for what sources actually were available that time. I had to use what was there, and more over I never claimed that my book was either Asatru or based on the Lore. I wrote it as a occultist and if it is partly derived from non Nordic sources it was inspired by the Western Mysteries not Wicca. But yeah it’s dated and I should finish my next one, and then a paintbrush came my way.
Freya Aswynn
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If King were a pedophile, you'd think he'd delete the evidence before giving his computer away. But considering the miasma that almost always envelopes religous-based communes, It's my guess that it's a fraudulent charge levelled at King from a vindictive Asswyn. Either way, it certainly adds a negative perspective on the written work of both Asswyn and King.
Freya Aswynn and Child Porn:
Freya Aswynn gives Paganism a bad name. In our coven we rid ourselves of anyone practicing Black Magic and Harmful Spells. It's time the Pagan community rids itself of Freya Aswynn. She is an embarassment to Paganism and to her publisher Llewellyn Publishers. She is wanted by the police for downloading over 5,000 pictures of children having sex with adults. That's just plain sick and everyone realizes it. She also has a history of Black Magic and the Pagan community is well aware of it. 86 Freyan Aswynn NOW!!!
This is really a drag for pagans. it looks bad either way. Maybe Aswynn and her Child Porn habits would consider becoming Christian, and the pagans can finally get rid of her once and for all.
Blessed BE!
Pagans are not about Child Porn. If that's what turns on the foul and ugly Freya Aswynn, then tell her to get out of paganism and into something that matches her sick and twisted ways.
So be it!
Greetings All
Freya Aswynn here.
This is a long story, but I keep it short.
I' catagorically deny having put any child porn pictures on Bernard Kings computer or any other computer for that matter.
The row referred to in the article did not erupt because of a replica gun. the subject of the row was over the 'well being' of a 8 year old girl named Aisha who was staying at the farm. This is a serious matter not brought up in court, suffice to say that the witness came to me with 'a complaint'against Bernard King which prompted me to force him out with the assistence of the police. No charges where brought as the child did not really came to any harm.
After BK left pictures were indeed found on his computer, by the witness, I myself called the police.
the witness named Tracy Lynn Wadman has a substancial criminal record involving her own child as a mule to transport cocaine from Jamaica to London she did six years, and I gave her a home once she was released of prison.
She cooperated and supplied the police with evidence to roll up a Yardie gang in Harlesed in order to get a lighter sentence and therefore could not move back to London.
She also tried to blackmail me two days before I left Stra'ven she wanted money of she would change her testimony.
Anybody who want to talk about this further.
my emailaddress is:aswynn@btinternet.com
And no I am not selling the thule book I can't even find it on my own site.
Consider the possibility that both me and Bernard King have been had. He would have done better to put his hands up, now he'll be haunded for money for ever after.
Freya Aswynn
aka E. Hooijschuur
See, I don't need anonimity.
I appeal to those who have professional access to police databse to check this 'witness' out for your self
Tracy Lynn Wadman 6/6/1967?
some where in North Wales.
It is amazing how everyone seems to accept BK's innocence and jumps to blame FA. I tend towards believing FA. You have a man ousted for attempting 'something' with an 8 year old girl. This same man gives a computer, loaded with child porn images, to a teenage girl perhaps hoping to plant ideas in her mind. So either BK is guilty and has serious issues or the woman with a criminal record is framing him for money. Until they actually arrest FA or put our a warrant for said arrest the rest of you should just back off.
Oh oh oh! All you anonymous posters, a lot of Pagan cowards ye all are! Black magick?? Since when is the right to defend ones self against any Pagan law?
Oh wait! Fluffy bunny pussy wimps! And, if it harm none do what ye will even if one harms thee just bow down and pray? You sound like a lot of Xians more than Pagans you sorry lot of sots.
I don't know who you, the anonymous poster, think you are, not even human enough to say who you are but, in the same breath profess what is good for all Pagans?
Freya is an outstanding woman and has done more for the Pagan revival movment than you could even begin to understand as is apparent by your profession and your anonymity. Really if your going to go around bashing you really should summons the COURAGE to say who you are. Your the emmbaressment from where I sit.
See ya in Neflhel coward!!
The truth is a very funny thing... there are always at least two sides of a story. I've also learned from having given interviews, that the press will paraphrase almost anything to sound like a more sensational story.
It has also been my experience that within certain Pagan populations are a lot of people who like to take all the credit while putting out the least amount of effort. These are the ones that always seem to have the dirt or behind the scenes "truth". It certainly sounds like this witness could easily fall into that category.
Is it coincidence that it is the witness who prompts Freya to remove BK from her property? It is also this same witness who conveniently "finds" the evidence on his computer after he is gone?
Isn't it even more interesting that it is the same witness that changed her testimony? Why the change in story? One of the stories has to be a lie, as they cannot both be true.
Don't believe what you read. The truth comes out in time, but it may not be so interesting as this to be reported.
Hail M Odinsdatter!
What Pagan revival movement do you speak of? If you are referring to Wiccatru/Nicca, go right ahead. Please, however save yourself the association of Freya 'Asswind' with Asatru. We don't need her or any other fluff.
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta Redblade I do get the feeling you are just being silly now. You know damn well I was referring to ASATRU, and I beg to differ with your oppinion of course!
What is it with you people? Jelousy leads you to run rambling? Ansuz has gotten off it's leash and messed your brains up? What?
IDK how much frith is going on around here, but if you say so!
Frith from Raven Wolf Harrow
M Odinsdatter
Of course you differ, we all knew you would in your first post. Freya 'Asswind' has done as much for Asatru, as Hooters has done for chicken wings. Gods forbid you wiccatru/nicca types actually read the Lore and see who things are done instead of relying of fluff heads for your sources.
And you don't even seem to understand Frith. Shame really. It's all in the Lore.
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta Redblade may Thurisaz fly up your arse. I will no longer partake in your insults as you have sunk to a very low realm of insult and seem to have seen fit to drag the sacred lore into the debate. Shame on me? No shame on you and all your kind. Perhaps since you see fit to change names around Orusta Deadfade would be better for you then.
And, I have no idea who you are talking to when you make comment of Wiccatru/Nicca. Your an ugly soul, I see you.
Frith,
~M~
+++Orusta Redblade may Thurisaz fly up your arse.+++
Well, thats more like it now.
+++I will no longer partake in your insults as you have sunk to a very low realm of insult and seem to have seen fit to drag the sacred lore into the debate.+++
The Lore is what makes us Heathens, unlike the Wiccatru/Nicca crowd who make it up as they go along. As for the Asswind name well, considering Loki accuses Freya of farting when the gods surprised her with Freyr, the name "Freya Asswind" is almost historical! now isn't it?
+++ Shame on me? No shame on you and all your kind.+++
Shame on us for doing it right? Like our ancestors did? Ya, I feel real bad about that. Maybe you would feel better with calling corners or a hammer rite?
+++ Perhaps since you see fit to change names around Orusta Deadfade would be better for you then.+++
All one has to do is read 'Freya's book and see that she is not Asatru. She even admits she's a witch and has hung around with Raven Caldera. That really says something doesn't it? If she and the others want to be Wiccatru, then fine. But don't go around alluding to and making others think it is the same as Asatru. It is not.
+++And, I have no idea who you are talking to when you make comment of Wiccatru/Nicca. Your an ugly soul, I see you.+++
Wiccatru/Nicca. Read above.
+++Frith,
~M~+++
I know this moniker from somewhere, but where?
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta wrote:
The Lore is what makes us Heathens, unlike the Wiccatru/Nicca crowd who make it up as they go along. As for the Asswind name well, considering Loki accuses Freya of farting when the gods surprised her with Freyr, the name "Freya Asswind" is almost historical! now isn't it?
M Writes:
I am not sure who you think is making up actual lore. Much has been lost and shant be recovered by an conventional means. I know of no case where Freya Aswynn makes up lore. The runes she speculates from her own UPG and since I trust her I don't have a problem with that seeings how I can basically verify or disqaulify anything I choose for myself.
As for the Asswind comment I don't find it the least bit humourous as you know. I don't care where you think this tid bit of historical content came from.
Orusta worte:
Shame on us for doing it right? Like our ancestors did? Ya, I feel real bad about that. Maybe you would feel better with calling corners or a hammer rite?
M writes:
So now you are sayiong that your way is the only way and what Asatru is and isn't for everyone? Are you a Theodish by any chance there Orusta? I heard Freya Aswynn once say she was Asatru because she is true to the Aesir, period, what really more is there to say. Can you deny the meaning of the very word?
Orusta wrote:
All one has to do is read 'Freya's book and see that she is not Asatru. She even admits she's a witch and has hung around with Raven Caldera. That really says something doesn't it? If she and the others want to be Wiccatru, then fine. But don't go around alluding to and making others think it is the same as Asatru
M writes:
If I am seen talking to President Bush does that make me a Repukelican, I mean Republican? I think a lot of the problem is the lil sybil qaulity. Now I suppose Thorbjorg is not a valid charachter since she may not fit your profile of what Asatru is or isn't?
Frith,
~M~
M Writes:
I am not sure who you think is making up actual lore. Much has been lost and shant be recovered by an conventional means. I know of no case where Freya Aswynn makes up lore. The runes she speculates from her own UPG and since I trust her I don't have a problem with that seeings how I can basically verify or disqaulify anything I choose for myself.
I write:
Maybe you should re-read my posts, I never once accused her of making up the Lore. Her practice of Wiccatru, yes. That's made up on the spot. As for UPG, I can speculate that Runes should be be accompanied by trantric yoga, but it doesn't mean it will fly or fits in with the Norse base.
M Writes:
As for the Asswind comment I don't find it the least bit humourous as you know. I don't care where you think this tid bit of historical content came from.
I write:
You don't care? It's a reference from the Lore. So you say you don't care that it came from the Lore, so you don't care about the Lore?
M writes:
So now you are sayiong that your way is the only way and what Asatru is and isn't for everyone? Are you a Theodish by any chance there Orusta?
I write:
I am Non-Universalist. I only care HOW it is done.
M Writes:
I heard Freya Aswynn once say she was Asatru because she is true to the Aesir, period, what really more is there to say. Can you deny the meaning of the very word?
I write:
She could also claim to be Minnie Mouse, doesn't make it so. She claims this, but did she swear on an Oath ring? Please re-read the article that started all this, it states she's a self-admitted witch. She also admits to casting black magic directed at those she doesn't like. Sounds like Wiccatru to me.
M writes:
If I am seen talking to President Bush does that make me a Repukelican, I mean Republican?
I write:
If you continue to hang around, then Yes.
M writes:
Now I suppose Thorbjorg is not a valid charachter since she may not fit your profile of what Asatru is or isn't?
I write:
Asatru? No. She is not. Wiccatru? Most certainly. You can group her (as a writer) into the same bunch as Ed Fitch and DJ Conway.
Frith
Orusta Redblade
Orusta wrote:
You don't care? It's a reference from the Lore. So you say you don't care that it came from the Lore, so you don't care about the Lore?
M writes:
You know good and well it is the ref you use towards Aswynn and not the lore that offends me you silly silly non universalist not even sure if your of age at this point person. To use the lore to degrade a person is dispicable!
Orusta wrote:
She could also claim to be Minnie Mouse, doesn't make it so. She claims this, but did she swear on an Oath ring? Please re-read the article that started all this, it states she's a self-admitted witch. She also admits to casting black magic directed at those she doesn't like. Sounds like Wiccatru to me.
M Writes:
Well I beg to differ pal. She does not admit to casting magick against people just because she does not like them. You have put words into her mouth and now tis time to stop that.
Being attakced and fighting back is something very different than attacking. Perhaps you need a good lesson in attack and defence and the fine fine line that is so defined it can't be missed that sits between the two when it comes to magickal warfare.
And, how do you know she didn't take an oath on the ring?????????
Orusta wrote:
Asatru? No. She is not. Wiccatru? Most certainly. You can group her (as a writer) into the same bunch as Ed Fitch and DJ Conway.
M wirtes:
No way, your nuts.
Frith,
~M~
A little clarification...
I read Freya's comments regarding her use of magic against those who actively try to harm her. That hardly seems like "black magic" to me. If someone were to rush at me with their fists clenched and shoulders cocked, I'm coming out swinging! No where in the lore does it say that magic cannot be used to either defend or avenge oneself.
And to the earlier comment (paraphrased) regarding how the Pagan community needs to oust such people because of dark magical practices... not every witch is Wiccan, no matter what the story books say. All Pagan religious do not espouse supposed Wiccan virtue. I've witnessed enough of your ilk banishing this one or that one from your covens for not practicing the way the high-mucky-muck of a particular group wants them too.
Not every Pagan believes in some three-fold law, nor does everyone believe in some "harm none" code which sounds suspiciously like something plucked from Crowley. Have you ever actually tried to "harm none"? It's impossible. In order to heal yourself from a cold, your body has to kill the virus. That's harming the virus. If your immune system didn't kill it, you could ultimately die, again, harming yourself. If you really believe in the "harm none" thing, you don't get to pick and choose when to apply it. So to suggest that all Pagans oust anyone for practicing magic of any type is obsurd. Ostrocising someone based on a few paragraphs without taking the time to delve any deeper is irresponsible. Keep up that kind of behavior and eventually someone someday may slap you with a lawsuit for libel.
And since when does being a witch make someone not an Asatruar? On the flipside, since when does being a with automatically make you Wiccan? In order to be either Wiccan or Asatru, one would need to share in the belief system of either religion. The last time I checked my lore, there's plenty of it that refers to magical practice. To ignore our magical history is to dishonor our ancestors. You certainly don't have to learn magic to be Asatru, it's in no way a requirement, but it's not forbidden either.
To those who feel Freya is too "wiccatru", well, where are your books? What have you done? If you feel you know better, share this wondrousness with the rest of us. If you can do better, by all means do so.
Nicely said Catherine Ellis!
And, exactly, like the entire creation myth opens up with Odin engaged in, none other than, an act of necromancy as it would appear.
Now if the idea of necromancy would be debated, Odin summonsed that Volva somehow!
So if we follow a logical train of progression, as has been seen in the last few blog posts, we can deduce that Odin is not Asatru either!
Nor, the lovely Freya of Vanaheim since it is she that gives the lessons of the craft to even Odin himself in exchange for Galdr magick.
Boy won't those two be surprised to find out they are not of Asatru!
Orusta Redblade let us clarify at this passing. Is it your contention that because Aswynn (note the spelling please) calls herself a witch she is not Asatru? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Frith,
~M~
This blog has no spell check I'm doomed!
On Asatru
The underneath has been written in answer to the various comments through the years that I Freya Aswynn isn’t Asatru but Wiccan. I was Wiccan from 1980to 1983. I was Rosicrucian* from 1972 till 1979 no one accuses me of being Not Asatru but Rosicrucian* Why???
What is it about ‘Wiccans’ which invoked the red rag in some Americans who adopted a Native European Religion as their own. Traditionally the Religion of the Aesir was very tolerant and we still see this expressed in the Nordic countries, but more on a social and cultural level. It’s part of the Northern European Folk Soul.
And why this hatred towards a ‘sister’ pagan religion. It’s almost a Southern Baptist raging against Catholics, both being Christian of course. Perhaps they did not divest themselves of the baggage of an earlier religion.
In ’83 I dissolved my coven in order to devote full time to my Native gods: the Aesir and by inference the Vanir and other wights of Light. I am therefore Asatru i.e My Troth is to the Aesir. Apart from the Gods themselves, the attraction to the Norse system was first and foremost the Runes, and what ever little bits of the Lore was available in either English or Dutch, in the early eighties.. Being true to the Norse/Germanic gods is living according certain traditional values. Being True to the Aesir does not mean that I can’t respect, cooperate or appreciate ‘others’ however I wouldn’t ‘worship them. Without exception these comments questioning my being Asatru are all from across the pond. Usually by people who rant against ‘universalism’.
Dig a little bit further and one may find a ‘political monster’ lurking there, at least by some. These people often being of ambiguous genetics themselves, needing to prove to themselves and their peers how ‘Nordic/Germanic they are. Again I have not found this attitude in native born Northern European Asatru, are we dealing with genetic envy here?
However they are a dwindling but vocal minority, the vast majority of Asa folk across the pond have done incredible work in reconstructing and redefining the religion.
Keeping the Old way alive and publishing their interpretations and lore, putting enormous amount of effort and funds into their studies and share this. These are the ones who will be remembered as the first generation Asa folk outside Europe.
Being Asatru is open to every one, the Gods will accept the Troth of a sincere person of whatever genetic or cultural origin. It’s insecure people, who will question and dispute this and guess what , they need this kind of security from their peers ie. Other people, they have to feel part of a crowd, a club.
I am Northlander I was born and raised in a traditional tolerant Dutch culture, I also look the part. I don’t depend on others opinion whether I am Asatru or not. Nor would I ever question an other’s Troth to the Aesir, certainly not on the basic of colour or any prior spiritual paths walked
So far as criticism of my book NM &M is concerned this was written in ’86 as ‘Leaves’ look at the bibliography for what sources actually were available that time. I had to use what was there, and more over I never claimed that my book was either Asatru or based on the Lore. I wrote it as a occultist and if it is partly derived from non Nordic sources it was inspired by the Western Mysteries not Wicca. But yeah it’s dated and I should finish my next one, and then a paintbrush came my way.
Freya Aswynn
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